Instead, Beaker DNA shows movement from northwest to the southeast.R1b U106 is not a different species than R1b P312. Here is the link: http://185.144.156.77:3000/The main flaw of this of course that it depends on base calculations by others, that is, on Davidsky Global 25 database. He looks like all of the other Dutch Beakers, and they all cluster very close to German Corded Ware samples, even overlapping wit some.These people look native to the Rhine Single Grave area. It was said that his mtDNA was K1f, which is rare but which cake from WHG. Predominantly nonlocal females were also found in BBC contexts in southern Bavaria (especially if 0.71050 is used as 87Sr/86Sr cutoff), Austria, Hungary, the Czech Republic (18), and Britain (21), among CWC burials in southern Germany (12), and EBA inhumations in central Germany (24), pointing to a supraregional prevalence of patrilocal residentialrules.Ric Hern- Yes I can, I guess you mean U5b2a and subcladesU5b2/a1a- Iberia, Camino del Molino, (Caravaca, Murcia). @GeorgeDNA tool allows you to trace your ancient ancestry.The chances of that being a useful tool are pretty slim, but I won't get into that here. There's now way to model them as Corded Ware+southeast something. @ BBB''True but stylistically some of the earliest distinctly beaker pottery features emanate from this area and southwest Iberia'' There is no problem with local & north African cultural tastes influences the final aesthetic of Maritime beakers, but the form has no local precedents. Look at J2b1/aIberia-El Portalón, Atapuerca, Burgos-Neolithic-5.400 BCEl Toro Cave, sierra del Torcal, Antequera-Neolithic-5.030 BCFuente Pecina, Burgos, Neolíthic-4.170 BCCamino del Molino-2.900 BCBarranc d’en Rifá, Catalonia Chalcolithic-2.760 BCValdescusa, la Rioja- 1.695 BC)- Germany Koningsbrunn, 2.129-1.983 BCYamnaya Horizon, Pidlisivka Babyno- 1.900 BC, Ireland- Rathlin Island-1.635 BCU5a1/b- Poland, CW Hubinek-2.550 BC U5a1/b1-Iberia, el Hundido, Monasterio de Rodilla, Burgos-2.412 BCU5a1/b1-Iberia, la Hoya, Alava (400-300 BC)-U5a1/b1 Czech R, Lovosice-2.200 BCU5a1/b1 France, Urville, Nacqueville, Iron Age HVO+195- Iberia, El Pirulejo Cave, Magdalenian (16.000-13.000 BC)HV0+195-Iberia-Fuente Pecina IV, Neolithic, 4.170 BCHV0-cova de Bon Santo, Portugal-3.725 BCHV0-Barranc d’en Rifá, 2.700 BCHV0-el Mirador, la Lastrilla, Segovia-2.350 BCHV0-Germany, Koningsbrunn, 2.112-1.912 BC. We don't have any data other than that one article on pre-medieval Poland (indeed, not much on medieval Poland either). @Tesmos,That's what I thought till I saw that...I4174, Beaker HUngary. But I admit the final answer is elusive at present . I guess one advantage (if you saw it that way) of it would be that this clearly does away with the Carlos Quilles type argument where the whole Corded Ware horizon was Uralic speaking, as in this instance at least some of it would need to be the plausible agent for Indo-European languages to reach Western Europe.I can't really follow whether Yamnaya or Corded Ware are plausible to be linked to Beaker though; there just isn't enough difference in the autosome for genetics to be much help, other than the uniparentals and those are solidly a mix of R1a1 for the few CW samples we have and R1b-Z2103 for Yamnaya and kindred EMBA. That occurred on the Steppe, or possibly even before. In any case, the Csepel group happens to have Maritime beakers dating to 2800 BC from very well stratified contexts, adjcaent to a clear typological predecessor in Yamnaya. Beaker shares farmer-drift with Globular & Funnel beaker. Arrival of Beaker folk changed Britain for ever, ancient DNA study shows This article is more than 2 years old. I think this is mostly due to Alpinoid types, and in Denmark the so called Borreby type. b, Beaker-complex grave goods from La Sima III barrow, Soria, Spain . They were claims of R1b-U106 in Wielbark and more samples can help clear this mystery, so if we’re getting flooded with skulls and remains, then why not test them? But unfortunately some confused people do, so I think it's occasionally useful to provide a reality check for them. Danube farmer+Balkan HG, can't explain it either. Further to the point, one could say just from the above runs that at least Beaker from Hungary have some Vucedol ancestry. Gefällt 237 Mal. 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